Presidential Debate: Why Are We Even Having This Conversation?

I suffered through watching Gumby live during the first Presidential Debate two days ago, and because I feel that this election is that important, I just suffered through watching it all over again AND reading the transcript at the same time to really digest what was said.  I have come to the conclusion that if Barack Obama is qualified to be president, then I and quite a few other “ordinary” Americans should be running against him.  We are probably more qualified and have a better grasp of the issues than he does. I know that I probably have a better understanding of the economy and small business growth than he does, but then again, I’m just one of those “ordinary” Americans that Barack thinks he needs to lead around by the nose.  When John McCain said that “he doesn’t get it”, McCain was right.  Barack is so far above the rest of us, he doesn’t understand that we Americans ARE NOT ORDINARY.  I am thinking that Barack definitely was not paying attention in American History class or paying attention the last 25 years.  Which country in the world has come up with the most technological innovations in the last 200 years?  Which country made his viral internet campaign so successful?  Which country created the modes of transportation he uses to meet so many people and tell them they are horrible and have lost their way?  If you listen to him, we are backsliding into the stone-age.  How dare this elitist, earmark receiving, Fannie and Freddie guardian angel, with questionable (at best) associates speak to ANY OF US like that?  How dare he play on American’s current lack of confidence to get his sorry ass elected!

Why is there even a discussion about whether or not to elect Senator McCain?  The job of president is about ACTION, not talk.  Which of these candidates has been about action?  Which of these candidates has been working FOR the American people and not talking?

Does Barack really think that linking McCain to Bush is a valid strategy?  Does he really think we are haven’t been paying attention?   If the American people want to link someone to Bush, then it better be Obama; since he keeps voting for Bush/Cheney proposals, i.e. Energy Bill, FISA, etc.  Does Obama think we actually believe his line about a new style of politics when he has taken $932 Million in earmarks? Does Barack think that using every valid platform issue created by Hillary Clinton is going to get by the American people?  We watched her for 18 months and listening to him do Hillary redux makes me grind my teeth and want to bitch-slap him back into August 2007 when Senator Clinton was raising the alarm about the economy.  Hell, what was Barack doing when John McCain was trying to pass regulatory reform of Fannie and Freddie in 2005?

What follows are a few quotes from the debate that really made me ill and my comments; please feel free to add your own.  I could have actually picked this whole debate apart, but we really do have lives and other activities that need to be attended to.  I would like to thank No Quarter for being such a repository of amazing researchers and writers, as I have relied heavily on Larry’s site for background for this article.

On The Economic Bailout:


  • No. 2, we’ve got to make sure that taxpayers, when they are putting their money at risk, have the possibility of getting that money back and gains, if the market — and when the market returns.

“We” have the possibility of getting our money back or does this mean ACORN is going to get it like was originally proposed in the first version brought by the Dems?  Bambi was not clear about that.


  • Now, we also have to recognize that this is a final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Senator McCain, a theory that basically says that we can shred regulations and consumer protections and give more and more to the most, and somehow prosperity will trickle down.

Hate to disagree Barack, but the Dems brought this on us, go here and here.

On Accountibility:


  • And unless we are holding ourselves accountable day in, day out, not just when there’s a crisis….

Does this accountability that you speak of Mr. Obama, hold for Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko…?

  • We have to have energy independence, so I’ve put forward a plan to make sure that, in 10 years’ time, we have freed ourselves from dependence on Middle Eastern oil by increasing production at home, but most importantly by starting to invest in alternative energy, solar, wind, biodiesel, making sure that we’re developing the fuel-efficient cars of the future right here in the United States, in Ohio and Michigan, instead of Japan and South Korea.
  • We have to fix our health care system, which is putting an enormous burden on families. Just — a report just came out that the average deductible went up 30 percent on American families.
  • They are getting crushed, and many of them are going bankrupt as a consequence of health care. I’m meeting folks all over the country. We have to do that now, because it will actually make our businesses and our families better off.
  • The third thing we have to do is we’ve got to make sure that we’re competing in education. We’ve got to invest in science and technology. China had a space launch and a space walk. We’ve got to make sure that our children are keeping pace in math and in science.
  • And one of the things I think we have to do is make sure that college is affordable for every young person in America.
  • And I also think that we’re going to have to rebuild our infrastructure, which is falling behind, our roads, our bridges, but also broadband lines that reach into rural communities.
  • Also, making sure that we have a new electricity grid to get the alternative energy to population centers that are using them.
  • So there are some — some things that we’ve got to do structurally to make sure that we can compete in this global economy. We can’t shortchange those things. We’ve got to eliminate programs that don’t work, and we’ve got to make sure that the programs that we do have are more efficient and cost less.

All of which you just read is classic Senator Clinton, almost word for word.  If you don’t believe me, go to YouTube and look at any of Hillary’s stump speeches.  Senator Clinton is asking us to vote for Barack because it is her policies and platform that he is talking about.  One thing though, PUMAs don’t believe he will do any of it; therein lies the problem.  Once again, this is not about Hillary, it is, in fact about what Barack will actually do if he were to get into the White House. I am not willing to gamble with our future on him.

  • Let me tell you another place to look for some savings. We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we’re going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad, that we have to look at bringing that war to a close.

If Barack was actually willing to bring the war to a close, then why is he talking to the Iraqi President about delaying the troop withdrawal.  Go here.  Is that not a violation of the Logan Act and treason to boot?

On Pakistan:


  • Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan. Here’s what I said.
  • And if John wants to disagree with this, he can let me know, that, if the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out.
  • Now, I think that’s the right strategy; I think that’s the right policy.

Is Barack out of his mind? It definitely sounds like air strikes into Pakistan.  When I first heard that statement during the debates with Senator Clinton I was shocked and was wondering how Obama could actually say something like that out loud on television.  Was he freakin’ nuts?  I guess he is; he just said it again and McCain was right to call him on it.


  • You might think that with that kind of concern that Senator Obama would have gone to Afghanistan, particularly given his responsibilities as a subcommittee chairman. By the way, when I’m subcommittee chairman, we take up the issues under my subcommittee. But the important thing is — the important thing is I visited Afghanistan and I traveled to Waziristan and I traveled to these places and I know what our security requirements are. I know what our needs are. So the point is that we will prevail in Afghanistan, but we need the new strategy and we need it to succeed.

That is exactly the issue.  Barack Obama has spent the last two years running for president and not doing the job he was elected to do.  He has not traveled to the areas that need the most attention.  Hell, he would not go to visit wounded soldiers, but he did meet with the Palestinians and had members of palestinian terrorists groups as his bodyguards.  What does that say?

Do we really want a chameleon for a president?  Do we want a fluffy, marketed image for president, or do we want a candidate that walks the talk and has shown good judgement in the past?

Does Barack Obama’s record of friends, associates, voting present, accepting earmarks…, (the list goes on and on and on), show good judgement and the MATURITY to lead the greatest country on earth?  I am not seeing it.  I just keep seeing American Idol, High School Musical redux, and a chess board with many silent shadowy figures in the background pushing this juvenile with 143 days in the Senate on us.  It is not flying with me, those 58% of Clinton voters that will not vote for him, the evangelicals, the die-hard republicans, the right, the middle and the left that was betrayed by FISA.

I would like to congratulate Senator Obama on one thing I noticed that has changed with him since his debates with Hillary.  I want to congratulate him on being an excellent student of Sister Mary Thomas of the Lead Filled Cane and Razor Blade Ruler who smacked some sense into him and made him a better debater.  Not so many ums and ahs and equivocal answers.   Another debate like that would have just sent me straight to the tequila bottle.  Too bad she could not break him of the habit of saying that his opponent was right….”what she said”…..”Senator McCain is right,”….

10 Responses to “Presidential Debate: Why Are We Even Having This Conversation?”
  1. BA says:

    Obama’s Pakistan-related comments bothered me too. His “negotiations” in Bagdad also.

    Pakistan is not Afghanistan: one should not confuse say Venezuela with say Panama,and Venezuela is less volatile than Pakistan.

  2. Pagan Power says:

    Like you I watched the entire debate. And I agree with you, there is no question that McCain is intensely more qualified to become President. I was also against the Iraq war from the start and was a community organizer for a few years. On occasion I am also known to give a good speech. Thankfully my ego won’t allow me to consider that sufficient qualification to be President.

    This election cycle is absurd in the worst sense of the word. And the Dems gotta go!

  3. Rofcenter says:

    CNN had a commenter on the dabate, “Jackie” something. She stated one of the best examples of the elitism pathology in the MSM that I’ve heeard since Oblahblah’s ‘clinging’ commentary. Her statement regarding upcoming debates: “What Obama needs to do now is to connect directly as a human being to those that we sort of like to call real people.” (“We” meaning liberals journalists I guess.) “Real” refers to the Bible/gun clingers and others who are too ignorant to realize that the almighty candidate can manifest himself directly as a human, not just the soaring political deity.
    I guess I’m one of those “sort of real” people that hasn’t connected to Obama’s humble human side. Why is it that liberal canditates always seem to find themselves in the dilemma of having to humanize themselves to those they treat as subhuman? The true class warfare of the arrogant left is not the haves vs. have nots, rather it’s those who are superior enlighted ones vs those who are not.

  4. CKA in Red State USA says:

    Obama so far above us? I don’t think so.

    In his megalomaniacal delusions, yes, though.

    But, really, I think what he continues to show is simply
    that he is not of us, us Americans–and I do think that
    includes the African-Americans of which he wrongly claims
    to be.

    Actually, he seems to be detached from everyone. It’s as
    if he observes, comes close to but never actually joins.

    That he’s gotten this far, knowing that even his secular
    creators must know these things, is scary.

    But expecting him to “connect to real people”?

    It’s not in him. Won’t be, maybe in this lifetime.

  5. Dave H says:

    If I may use a metaphor that Obama’s supporters should understand: Listening to Obama is like listening to a graduate assistant, while listening to McCain is like listening to a dept. chairman. Obama is well read, but so are many people. McCain is experienced, and not too many people have his kind of experience. Obama is undeniably “wet behind the ears” on issues of national importance. I might hire him to teach a class, but to run the executive branch of the gargantuan US gov’t is obviously far beyond anything his resume would suggest he is qualified for. Take away his presidential campaign, and he is the LEAST accomplished of all 100 senators. It’s not because he’s black, not because he’s liberal, it’s because he is absolutely unqualified for the job that he should not be President of the greatest nation on Earth.

  6. Jack says:

    I respect those that bring up the experience argument but I think that argument is not winning now and does not always win. The experience bar for president has not always been set as high as some think it should and has not always been a great predictor of a president’s success – see Abraham Lincoln’s resume. I don’t believe that Obama’s experience level or for that matter the experience level of Sarah Palin are disqualifiers in any sense. While thin, their respective resumes do pass the test in terms of positions held and experience gained. What has been a bigger predictor and I believe what should be the largest factors are:

    There are those that will be attracted to Obama’s leftist philosophies although I don’t believe the MSM has given any indication of just how far left he has been and his sudden and lightning speed sprint to the center on more issues you can shake a stick at after primary season has now been largely forgotten. While 30-35% of the country will always vote democrat no matter how moonbat the candidate, I don’t think the typical undecided has any idea just how left the democrat ticket is. That being said I don’t begrudge those who knowingly vote for Obama based on his philosphy. I find their philosphy silly and destructive but it is certainly their right to believe what they believe.

    As for character and judgement these are huge this time but again, the typical undecided has no idea just how bad Obama is here – the networks and cable news really are in the tank for this guy. The fact that you have a man who worked so closely with a serious admitted domestic terrorist with such vile and degenerate views getting this far is a tragedy and a travesty (and it was a close relationship – go see Stanley Kurz’s work in the WSJ). I don’t recall anything this bad – ever, and that is without even considering the Jeremiah Wright association. I have been a student of history for many years and I have never read of a presidential candidate this bad making it this far in the United States – ever. Those who vote for Obama knowing of this association and his serious flaw in character and judgement in having and working with such an association are treading in treacherous waters.

    Should this person win the election, and unless the polls are way off it is almost looking conclusive that he will win, it will be a disgrace. It will be a tragic disgrace particularly when you consider the unimpeachable patriotism and sacrifice of his opponent.

    I hate to say this but if this person is in fact elected President of the United States it will have signalled a fundamental change in the character of the country. Should this tragic event occur, after a 232 year run it will no longer be a country worthy of respect and I will care not what happens beyond that date.

  7. Diamond Tiger says:

    do not despair. We still have, what, 35 days left and Gumby polls 6-9 points (in actuality) below what the polls are saying.

    This is McCain’s to lose.

  8. Dave H says:

    Lincoln was well known as THE most successful trial lawyer in Illinois before he ran for president. He had a record of success in that arena, which isn’t exactly Harvard Law Review or community organizing, far beyond anything Obama has done. Lincoln lived in an age without celebrities or sports heroes, when trial law involved primarily business, property and political disputes, not ambulance chasing, and when successful (honest) lawyers were widely looked to as pillars of the community. He was among the first recruits of the newly-formed Republican Party because anybody who was paying attention knew he was a mover and shaker. The “Lincoln was inexperienced, too” argument is completely bogus, at least when compared to Obama. Don’t let your friends fall for it.

  9. standing bear with feather under 2 moons says:

    9-29-2008 – date since last “hoorah” rant

    silence…………………the most beautiful voice

    -Lord Alfred Tennyson

  10. Diamond Tiger says:

    Ah, the voice of the sore winners…..lovely….I can’t wait to see what happens when The One disappoints the masses.

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